Don’t stop talking about Palestine III

Discussion with Mahmoud [1], a Palestinian activist and artist from West Bank – 

Date: 11 April 2024

Transcribed using AI (and checked for mistakes) from the live audio recording of the online discussion. Be advised that mistakes may occur in the text.

Komuna delegated moderator: First of all, Mahmoud, thank you a lot for finding time to meet us. And I see that your friends also joined, people that apparently know you, [redacted], which kind of invited you. So for those who are online, keep your microphones muted, but at any time that you want to have a question, write on chat. Then we’ll have a way that we can actually moderate the talk also online. Also for people here, whoever wants to have questions, feel free. And this is fairly informal discussion. So let us feel like at home, right? So maybe before we start, maybe can you tell us, Mahmoud, a bit about yourself? Who you are, what do you do, where do you live for those who don’t know you?

Mahmoud: Yes, so I’m Mahmoud. I’m 35 years old. I was born in Jerusalem, Palestine. Actually born and raised in Jerusalem. I moved between Jerusalem and Jericho. I work between Jerusalem and Jericho. I live, you can say, in the West Bank and in Jerusalem, East Jerusalem. Which is also part of the West Bank, but sometimes it’s not included in the West Bank. So yeah, I would like to start like about, so I’m going to continue like about myself, sorry. So yeah, what I do usually here is try to basically fight the occupation. And it can be like a job actually to resist the occupation on a daily life. I do some kind of, I had a project which I used to do like kind of stickers and posters for awareness about Palestinian popular struggles in the First Intifada. Which I thought were useful for youngsters to know, Palestinian youngsters. And yeah, that’s about me.

Komuna delegated moderator: Okay. So with this maybe we can open the discussion. So maybe to go into more deeper details, maybe you can tell us what is happening in Gaza right now. You know, before we go into this, dwell into more historical narrative and how is the life in West Bank and East Jerusalem where you live. Maybe just tell us now six months after the start of this genocidal war, what is the situation in Gaza, first and foremost?

Mahmoud: Okay, so like the six months have passed for us, like as a Palestinian who living in the West Bank and just listening to the news about Gaza. Like when you tell me now six months, six months, it’s like how the time passed. It passed through different like perception like of how like I thought about it, like the time of it. You know, like when you’re under attack and like how you take time, how do you perceive the time is different. But anyway, like the situation in Gaza, like for me, like I have just been in Gaza once in my life and it was in 1995. I remember small frames of Gaza. And after 1995, you know, like it was Oslo Accords and then it was given to the Palestinian Authority to give a chance to build a Palestinian state in Gaza. But the situation in Gaza has always been like it was always a place for me as a Palestinian that I cannot visit or see. I just listen about it in the news, not only in the news, of course, also like in family and between friends. And we all know, like as Palestinians, we live in the West Bank about Gaza, that it’s a segregated place that we cannot access it. And they cannot access the West Bank or the Palestinian 1948 areas. So, actually, my two only friends from Gaza, who are from Gaza, I haven’t met them in Gaza or in Palestine, I met them outside of Palestine. So, like even before the war, like seeing people who are from Gaza is a bizarre thing to see like in the West Bank or in Jerusalem. It’s like, you know, you need the permission to leave Gaza, of course, from the Israelis. So, it’s not usual to see Gazans in the streets. Like the last time I saw a Gazan in Jerusalem was three years ago in the Aqsa. And we gave a hug to each other because it was like, you know, something weird to happen. Like, how come you’re here? How come you’re 30 kilometers away? But, wow, you made it, you know? But, we don’t think about it as 30 kilometers away. We think about it as a long distance and a long time between us and Gaza. So, I cannot really talk about, like, how is the situation in Gaza or how was the situation in Gaza. But, I know that there is no water in Gaza. There was never water in Gaza. I know that since 1948 that the Israelis threw all the water that Gaza had underneath it, you know, to kill any life that can happen in Gaza. So, I know that before the war, I know that Gaza had a shortage in water, like a very small amount of water enters Gaza. I know that there was no electricity. It was under, you know, there’s no electricity. There’s the siege for more than 16 years now. I knew some of the neighborhoods of Gaza just because, just from Al Jazeera and from the news network, you know, because, you know, actually, it’s sad that we know the neighborhoods of Gaza just from the news because they get hit or attacked from Israel. So, for me, if I want to think, like, about Gaza in Palestine, it’s like, there’s Gaza which is, like, in the base and then there’s the West Bank and Jerusalem and then there’s, like, the 1948. So, Gaza is the most unfortunate or, like, the hardest, probably, place in Palestine to live at. So, because even, because you don’t only get, you don’t, it’s not only because you live under a concentration camp, but you’re also getting killed, you know. You’re, like, from the war machine of Israel. So, it’s not only that you’re deprived from your rights and your life essentials like water and things like this, but in addition of that, you’re also getting killed, like, from the war machine of Israel. I hope you, I hope you understand me, but I’m a little bit overwhelmed because, I don’t know, like, who’s listening to me and how I’m sounding and that.

Komuna delegated moderator: No, no, no, it makes, it makes perfect sense. When it comes, now, to West Bank and Jerusalem, where you live, we have seen that there is, there is a lot of tensions happening and arrests or kidnappings, more to say. So, maybe, can you tell us a bit how is the current situation in Jerusalem and in West Bank, now, regarding, specifically, after the start of this, basically, genocide?

Mahmoud: You mean, kidnapping of Palestinian prisoners?

Komuna delegated moderator: Yes.

Mahmoud: Yeah. Now, the number of detainees, of Palestinian detainees, who were kidnapped by the Israeli occupation forces, is almost 10,000 prisoners. Before the war, it was around 5,500. So, the number that, like, doubled, the number which was before the war.

So, the, let me tell you something, like, the situation in the West Bank and Jerusalem, well, in the Second Intifada, we thought that it might be, like, the worst that could happen for the West Bank and Jerusalem. Like, from all of the closures and checkpoints and segregation and the war. But, after, like, after the 7th of October, apparently, the Second Intifada was nothing, like, compared to what’s happening right now on the ground, you know? Like, the main roads which we used to take before the… Are you familiar with the word, are you familiar with the Second Intifada, you know, like, when’s the time of the Second Intifada?

Komuna delegated moderator: It would be good to explain to everyone that listen now or read later.

Mahmoud: So, the Second Intifada is, it started in 2001, and it kept, it, it, basically, kept, I don’t know, for, like, it went for, like, five years. And the Intifada is, like, okay, I’m not going to go there now, I’ll go there now. But, basically, yeah, so, the situation now here in the West Bank is worse than how it was in the 2000s until 2005, and the upper tide wall and all of this.

The, like, the closest city, which is, like, can be now 30 minutes away, can take you now, in these days, two hours. And, two hours, and it’s literally, like, 30 minutes away from all of the checkpoints and the segregations that they do. So, the West Bank is really, like, divided geographically. It’s either divided by, by checkpoints or by the upper tide wall, the separation or limitation one. Or, it’s, yeah, so, of course, the West Bank, Jerusalem is in the West Bank. It’s in the West Bank, geographically.

They closed off East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank since 2003, which was during the Second Intifada. Their claim was that they’re closing Jerusalem because of the security situation, you know, because there was a lot of resistance against the, Zionism. So, they built the wall, they built the checkpoints around Jerusalem. They took the right of the Palestinians who live, actually, in Jerusalem and in Ramallah to go, and they took the right from entering Jerusalem.

Jerusalem has dramatically changed, like, since the 2000s, and even the population. Like, when we used to walk, I remember, in Jerusalem, we used to see that it was still, it still had its Palestinian identity. Right now, they’re trying to change the population by bringing a lot of Europeans, changing the country into a European, you know, buildings and streets to look more westernized. So, it doesn’t look, it’s starting not to look, I mean, they’re changing the way the city looked like.

Of course, they do these things by home demolitions, by evoking Palestinians’ identification ID’s. They provoke it if you leave the country for more than four years, four to six years. So, if you’re a Jerusalemite, and, like, we Jerusalemite have an ID which is called, which is the blue ID. And the people who live, like, in the rest of the West Bank have another ID. And the Palestinians who live in the 1948 areas have another ID. And the people who live in Gaza have another ID. They have an orange ID. And the people who live in Ramallah have a green ID.

And us, people from Jerusalem and 1948 areas, we have the blue ID. All right! So, the blue ID gives you access to go into all of Palestine. But the green ID, which the people of the West Bank holds, are only allowed to stay in the West Bank. They’re not allowed to visit, to go to the East Jerusalem. It’s counted as if they’re in different countries. If they catch you there, they take you to prison. At least for 40 days, you get fined. And the people who, like, in their house also get fined.

So, of course, all of this is meant to divide society and to disconnect us from each other. And also to restrict the movement. The occupation tries as much as possible to not make you available in the public spaces, you know. They don’t, like, want the Palestinians to have memory with the land itself. So, when they divide us, like, not make the Palestinians who live, like, 10 kilometers away to come to the after to pray or to go to the beach. They are stealing their memory of the place so that they will not know the place. And then when you don’t know the place, you’re going to stop fighting for it because, you know, you’re going to forget about it eventually. Stop me if I don’t make any sense, you know, because I get into, like…

Komuna delegated moderator: No, no, no worries. We are following you, clearly. But maybe you can tell me, because you mentioned this control over the movement and the checkpoints have this control of the movement. Obviously, the checkpoints have been erected more. And you talked about the imprisonment, meaning kidnappings, more of Palestinians now since the start of this latest war. But in general, how is the daily life? Did the daily life change for the people? How are the people in West Bank experiencing this war? What specifically has changed in the situation for daily life of people?

Mahmoud: Yeah, of course. There have been a lot of movement restrictions, of course. Because every city or every village is surrounded by checkpoints. And already closed off by the wall, which they prepared 20 years earlier, you know. So now it’s easier to control than before the Second Intifada.

People in the West Bank… The Palestinian Authority have been a hand for the Israeli government. They try to suppress the demonstrations, which happens in Ramallah. Or in, like, now in Tul Karam. They are fighting, like, first-hand, instead of the Israelis, actually. And very bluntly, you know. It was not like this before. So this is something that has changed. That they’re, like, they’re doing their business on the table, not under the table, as we say.

A lot of the Palestinians who live in the West Bank are dependent on working in the Israeli settlements and colonies in the West Bank. So a lot of people got their permission of work revoked since the 7th of October. Like, it got reduced dramatically. So the financial situation is bad for Palestinians. It’s not easy.

A lot of, you know, like, a lot of places which are, like, in.. You know, the West Bank is divided into three main sections. It was divided like this because of the Oslo Accords. Okay? So it got divided into Area A, Area B, and Area C. So Area A is an area which is controlled totally under Palestinian authority. But, like, totally means, like, administrative and policing and municipality, but not natural resources. So it’s more like a municipality administration, the Area A, by the Palestinian Authority.

Area B is an area which is a Palestinian, which is a civil Palestinian area, you know, which is usually… B areas are usually the villages that are surrounding the cities, the main cities, which is still not under fully Palestinian authority control, and it will never be.

And Area C is, you know, you can say it’s almost, like, 50% or 60% of the West Bank, which is, it’s a Palestinian territory, but it’s totally under Israeli occupation control. And usually in those areas, in the sea areas, not usually, most of the times, settlements and colonies are built on those areas, like, sea areas.

Yes. And also, like, in some cities, their settlements are inside the city, even inside, like, area in, like, in Hebron, they got… Hebron is divided differently, you see, so it’s called H1, you know, H1 and H2. Like, inside the old city of Hebron, you know, and it’s… Hebron is, like, something else, like, it’s another topic, another world. It’s like the Gaza of the West Bank.

So, yeah, it’s divided… Sorry, it’s divided into the three areas, excluding, of course… Ah, of course, now, Jerusalem, when they talk about Jerusalem in the news, they talk about Jerusalem, the city, the city itself, you know. But Jerusalem has the villages and it has surroundings. So, also, from Jerusalem, you can have [unclear] A or a B area.

But this will get confused anyway, because we here, as Palestinians also, we get also, like, confused and get also accustomed by these stupid names and categories and things, you know. Like, eventually, actually, it will get to you, you know, like, when you get inside an area A, you feel like some things are, like, lifted. Like, some things, you can’t put things down, you know, like, because it’s not under Israeli control, let’s say.

So, when you, of course, want to travel from one village or one city to another Palestinian city, you have to travel through Area C. And through Area C, usually, it have, this is where they have the checkpoints, this is where they arrest people. Basically, they control, like, it’s the way, you know, and they, like, control it.

So, for us, living in the West Bank, we stop, we, we are, like, we live in, like, a kind of a pose, in a, like, slow down situation. As we are, like, because of all of the terror that is around us, the, of course, the terror from the Israeli soldiers and the Israeli settlers in the West Bank.

So, we have been, like, we have been, like, we have been less, uh, um, moving around and going around from, uh, to each other, you know. um, of course, uh, they took,, so many lands,  since the 7th of October, which, they already have probably planned for it. Because this is what Israel usually do, you know. They want things, but then, like, they do it 20 years later, they get you, like, ready for, uh, some, uh, they get you ready, like, for, uh, the situation and then they do it.

So, what they did is, uh, they took a lot of, uh, lands, they took a lot of natural resources, um, they just closed it off. Um they never opened it. And now, uh, usually those places which, which got recently segregated in this world are usually next to, uh, settlement or, uh, or, uh, kibbutz or something, you know. So, they can, like, control the whole area.

Now it’s a little bit, uh, things are getting a little bit, uh, let’s say, lifted. Uh, lifted, not easier, but, like, some of the checkpoints are lifted. So, there is some, uh, movement again in the city, um, the Palestinian cities. Um, but, not all, of course. Like, the [unclear] in the north of West Bank is on fire, um, like, uh, people, they are, uh, going, uh, um, uh, face-to-face with the PA. Um, so, I can say about that, like, I can say that it’s, uh, getting a little bit lifted on the central, uh, West Bank.

Komuna delegated moderator: You said before, that Palestinian Authority is kind of playing the Israeli’s game, or they’re, like, Israeli right hand. Is there resistance within the Palestinian community towards the actions of the Palestinian Authority, or saying that they are suppressing any protests? So, is there any resistance towards this happening?

Mahmoud: I cannot say that there is something that is organized. There was a feminist group which was aware about the Palestinian Authority’s contribution to the occupation. Usually, there was this mobilizer whose name was [Unclear], who got assassinated and killed by the Palestinian Authority two years ago because he talked about the Palestinian Authority. He was also wanted by the Israelis. So, we all know now, I think, as Palestinians who live in the West Bank, that the Palestinian Authority is the biggest collaborator. But there is no organized movement right now that is going to dismantle the Palestinian Authority.

Komuna delegated moderator: But you mentioned that there were new settlements created after the start of this last war. And there was this woman who was the leader of this settler movement [2]. I don’t remember the name of this Israeli woman. But she is propagating for really aggressive settlements to be built right now. Also, not only in Gaza, but in West Bank, everywhere. So, maybe, can you tell us, is there any new settlements being created? I mean, we are hearing that, yes, about 100 and something. But how is it received among the population? How big is it? And is it more aggressive politics now than it was before?

Mahmoud: When we hear it in the news, it is more aggressive. But on the ground, it has always been this aggressive. They are more aggressive as Israeli soldiers on the streets, of course, since the 7th of October. But, yeah, there is more aggression and more segregation. You know, in Jerusalem, actually, people were being stopped by Israeli police just for looking Palestinian, in their city. This is how it was for three months, at least. I used to delete my phone when I used to leave the house.

Komuna delegated moderator: So, in a sense, if you measure the police, the army military is more aggressive as well. There is also, at least what we hear about news, that the settlers also have become fully armed as well. I mean, I understand that they were always traditionally armed. Because they are part of the military, they finish military, exercise, they are part of the military for a while. So, they are part of the military itself. But now we have seen that the colonists have also now weapons. Is it more… My question is, is it more dangerous now to go in the street, not just from the military, but in general from people like colonialists, or from other citizens who may have these nationalistic tendencies as well? I mean, is there a risk of escalating on the direct killings on the street?

Mahmoud: Yes, of course. The probability is much higher now, but it was also high since 2015. But now it’s much, much higher. We avoid going into any place that is Israeli or has Israeli settlers, colonialists. You see much more weapons. We used to see a lot of people holding weapons before, but now it’s much more. There are random people holding, sometimes even two [Unclear], in hospital, in usual places. And it’s not… When you’re born in Jerusalem, you get raised to watch your steps or how you act when you’re walking in an Israeli colony or Israeli city.

I was stopped and searched in 2017. I was just having my bag on my back. I was in East Jerusalem. I was stopped by five or seven, they were wearing civilian clothes, but they are police. And they made me take off my shirt in the middle of the street, and throw my bag, because I grew suspicious for them. It’s not something new, but something is changing. It seems that there’s going to be more death in the West Bank and Jerusalem from all of these more weapons and basically arming the settlers.

Komuna delegated moderator: Okay. With this said, do you think that there is a chance of this war to be spread in West Bank? This is what is happening in Gaza, like, to be a full-on war that happens in West Bank and Jerusalem.

Mahmoud: There is a war always. There is a war against the West Bank, you can say, since 1967. This is what Israel wants. Israel wants the West Bank. So we were always under attack, let’s say. The West Bank never stopped fighting. It is in the war, even now, with Gaza. But this is different. Of course, it’s not fighting like Gaza, and it’s not under the fire like Gaza.

But I don’t think, as long as there is a Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, a war against Israel can happen. So no, I don’t see it with the Palestinian Authority at least. But I do see it if something changes with the Palestinian Authority. It started changing a little two weeks ago. There was resistance coming out from people who are militarized by the Palestinian Authority and trained and militarized by the USA. So people coming from there and doing resistance acts is something big and shows some light. This is what I think many people from the West Bank hope to see.

Komuna delegated moderator: Resistance first to the Palestinian Authority.

Mahmoud: Yes.

Komuna delegated moderator: In terms of what can you expect from the future, what do you see that this war will have as an outcome in Gaza and what will it have as an outcome for people in West Bank and Jerusalem, for the whole Palestinian people? What do you think? How will this end or how will it move forward from this moment? This is six months in already, and since the 40s it’s been on for 70 years. What are your opinions of the future?

Mahmoud: My opinions of the future… I think Israel will keep killing and keep doing its war if it’s still benefiting from the occupation, which is maintained. Until Israel starts to lose and stops benefiting from all the money they get from the occupation, the war will still keep going. Unfortunately, the other benefiting countries who live around us, like the United States and Europe, benefit from the occupation. They’re not stopping Israel.

For me, Israel is here for the money they get out of Palestine. If Palestine stops being a place where they get all the benefits from, then it will stop. So in my view, if we want to fasten this liberation, I believe in the boycott, divestment and sanction of Israel. I think it fastens it. I don’t believe Israel is a nation-state in the classic sense, but rather companies and banks who are here to make money and give profits for the western countries. Until it stops being like this, it will continue getting the help which they’re getting from their allies.

Komuna delegated moderator: Okay, so before we actually open the floor to questions from people online in here, do you have anything you would like to add in the end or if there’s any questions that you would like to ask us before we open the questions?

Mahmoud: I remember I have some things I want to say probably about Jerusalem. I wanted to talk about the schools of Jerusalem and about what Israel is doing. At least in the schools of Jerusalem, which are under the municipality of Jerusalem. Two years ago they made a law that if the schools still want to get the money from the municipality, they have to change a lot of what they have in their books regarding Palestine and history books—what the Palestinians get to learn in their schools. So I wanted to say that a lot of schools unfortunately, which were Palestinian private and also municipality schools, had their books changed by Israel and now printed by Israel. They teach them—like they took so many words and things which talk about Palestine and the struggle.

Komuna delegated moderator: So basically putting the Israeli mandated history for Palestinians.

Mahmoud: Yeah.

Komuna delegated moderator: Okay, does anybody have questions here in the room? If anybody online wants to have questions, raise your hand or write it in the chat.

Speaker from the public: Hello, I wanted to ask how much media attention is there in Palestine for what is happening? Where does the media cover what is happening?

Mahmoud: Yes, the media covers in Palestine. I think it gets a good share of coverage. If we say that journalists are on the streets and on the placement… If we want to say how much attention it gets on western media and TV, we probably know the answer for that, about the western media discrimination about Palestine and Israel. But regarding journalists on the ground, there is media.

Komuna delegated moderator: We have another question from [redacted]. She says: Are there any books or music that have been especially helpful or inspiring for you?

Mahmoud: Actually my family—we have a setup—and we put music. So now we’re listening to Julia Boutros from south of Lebanon, who always sang for the resistance of south of Lebanon and Palestine. As a book, actually I’m now reading a book called Civilian Occupation, which is made by Israeli architects, and it talks about how Israel uses architecture to divide and conquer more lands and grab more lands. So it’s really helpful.

Komuna delegated moderator: I have one question. Are there any solidarity initiatives that are in between Palestinians and Jewish people that live in Israel, in Palestine occupied land? Is there anything you can see hopeful in terms of giving solidarity to the Palestinian struggle?

Mahmoud: I hear of some initiatives that are made by Palestinians and Israelis, but they are Palestinians from 1948 areas. Like Mahan or… I don’t know, I can’t remember the name, but they are Israeli leftists and Palestinians. If you want to talk about a Jewish voice, a Jewish voice for peace in America—let’s say talk about Israelis, Jews who live in Israel—I can see if an Israeli wants to help, they can be helpful in ways that go face-to-face with what their state is really doing. Like to go and defend [unclear], because they have the right to go and they have the right to access. If they get injured, they will get their rights. I can be killed if I go to [unclear] to defend people who live there. I will probably die there, and no one’s going to do anything. I know I’m not going to get any justice. But for an Israeli, if they want to be helpful, they can be helpful in the places where the terror is happening, which is made by their state.

But all the other things—like the Israeli left—I don’t believe in it. Why would you call yourself… It doesn’t apply for Israel to have a left or a right wing in it. Because it’s just a colony, a colonial entity. One does feel like, well, we’re going to get a left and right. We’re doing actually more like normalization of…

Komuna delegated moderator: Like colonialism with a human face.

Mahmoud: Yes, they think that they are helpful, and they think that they are helping, but they’re not. They have a lot of things missing from their story. They treat Palestinians as if this is happening because of God, not because it’s systematic and it’s happening because you are actually taking my rights when you are being here living in my country. So they have this thing missing, and when they have this thing missing, I don’t think—

Komuna delegated moderator: What about these protests that are happening now, that we are seeing thousands of people in Tel Aviv, maybe in Jerusalem, that are protesting against Netanyahu? A lot of media, actually, and a lot of leftist media want to portray them as—even Al Jazeera, sometimes—as this protest that wants to end the war. But then again, you also have different tendencies from liberal groups all the way to more right-wing extremist groups who are protesting not to end the war, but to find better policies to save the hostages that Hamas took. So in this sense, do you think there’s anything that can come out of this protest? Even if Netanyahu’s government is toppled, do you think anything would change?

Mahmoud: For Palestinians, I don’t think anything is going to change. Because Israel will stop being Israel if they stop doing what they are doing—they will stop being Israel, as simple as that. The protests happening now, I think, are a good pressure point to have a ceasefire and to stop the war in Gaza. But I think the intention of most of the demonstrations is from Israelis who are fed up with living the war life—which is unfortunate for them—and they want to go back to the good life they were living. They want to have their privileges back so they can live the good life which they had. Those protests are not for Palestinian rights; they are for getting back the life of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

Komuna delegated moderator: Does anybody else have a question here? We don’t have any more questions online. If not, maybe then, as a last question, what would you like us from Kosovo to see and do regarding this? Is there any expectation that you have for us, for people who want to stand in solidarity with the Palestinian struggle? And the second question is—there are no more questions—but do you have anything that you want to share with us, or any questions for us?

Mahmoud: I would actually say—what I expect from you is—I would say BDS, BDS, BDS, which is boycott, divestment and sanctions. To talk more about Palestine and probably to do more of what you did with me—bring more speakers from Palestine. Because this is really good. It was actually helpful also for me. And yeah, I think—just don’t stop talking about Palestine. We say it in Arabic, where the loops meet, where the rope of the horse is tied. So Palestine is, I think, a second point for all of us.

Komuna delegated moderator: Maybe any questions for us?

Mahmoud: No, thank you guys for having me. Thank you. I hope one day I will be able to come and visit Kosovo, because we share a lot of the music and… it sounds like that, yeah.

Komuna delegated moderator: We also hope that someday you can come and visit us freely.

Mahmoud: And thank you again for having me. I hope I gave you good information.

Komuna delegated moderator: Well, thank you for finding time in all of this. I know it’s not easy for you to find time. Okay, thank you. So, for anything, let’s remain in touch. Good luck and stay safe there. And hopefully, one day, we can listen to the Dabke songs together.

Mahmoud: Inshallah. And hopefully one day you’ll come and visit Palestine, and know that you have a house here—as we say, kismet Allah. Thank you. Bye, and have a good day.

Notes:

[1] Name has been changed to protect the identity of the speaker due to safety reasons

[2] Referring to Daniella Weiss, an Orthodox Zionist, founder of Nachala, an Israeli settler organization responsible for fascist attacks on Palestinian people and land.